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Don't cheap-out; buy a quality thinset. 0000002864 00000 n The answer to your question partly depends on the size and shape of the tape. What Is Cement Backer Board and How Is It Used? When you lay down cement board on plywood, you will trowel thinset between the two surfaces. 0000020515 00000 n 0000027522 00000 n How to Prepare a Vinyl or Linoleum Floor for Ceramic Tile, Inexpensive Options for Flooring in Basements, Installing Cement Board Underlayment for Tile. Driving screws all the way down to the joists negates the effect of double layering the floor by transmitting the movement from the joists directly to the top layer of plywood. I would like to replace it with pressure treated but don't know if the fiberglass resin will bite to pressure treated plywood. Lee has over two decades of hands-on experience remodeling, fixing, and improving homes, and has been providing home improvement advice for over 12 years. There may be times when you want to bond tile directly to plywood, or another wood surface, rather than screwing down backerboard first. Backerboard does not shrink or expand when it comes into contact with water (mortar and grout both contain water). Pressure treated wood is a great and cheap choice for outdoor applications but because of its treatment, it is kind of hard to color it. When installing tile, having a solid and tight substrate that will not shift, expand, or contract is all-important. Avoid having two joints on top of each other. I really could use a experts advice. I used it on a small section of flooring in my boat. We've had the means for about 30 years (yes, I remember. Even though exterior grade plywood is designed to stand up to harsh weather, nothing can tolerate moisture better than a product that is entirely composed of minerals (cement board) vs. an organic product (plywood). To paint pressure-treated wood successfully, therefore, you must be prepared to exercise a bit of patience. Interior walls are within a climate-controlled environment and are presumed to be free of moisture. 0000012263 00000 n You know I'm going to put a wood pad, probably plywood,between the longitudinal board and where the cradle is. Make certain you seal the edges, front, back and the ends of the lumber. Rent a pressure washer that can spray chemicals like deck stripper and wood brightener. This chemical soaks in the wood and does not allow the paint to adhere as well as if it were on non-treated wood. Thanks Casey for the reply. 0000036256 00000 n It is more important as a subfloor than anything else. 0000014273 00000 n When screwing down the top layer, make sure that you are screwing no farther than the bottom layer of plywood. 0000100846 00000 n Use a pressure washer for larger projects. For wall installations, your real concerns are whether you want to use thinset directly on the wood and whether you are using an exterior or interior type of plywood. 0000008478 00000 n It said that it would not stick to the treated wood because of all the chemicals. Shear release interfaces have been used for thousands of years, beginning with the Romans and Greeks. It was a quick fix using cheap carpet last summer. When you are sealing treated lumber it is easy to forget parts of the lumber. Where the wood is exposed to temperature and moisture changes in an outdoor environment, the tile isn’t going to stay put for long. The most skillfully laid tile floor or wall can be ruined with a base that is not dimensionally stable. Redwood is not only usually treated, but it also contains a waxy substance prohibiting adhesion. 0000006879 00000 n The another reason is that I want to life the floor higher, so going with the two layer of the plywood. NOTE: Interior grade plywood is not considered a suitable substrate due to the water-sensitive nature of the glues used to bond laminate layers … Schulter expressly notes that Ditra replaces that second layer of plywood. Re: carpet adhesive on treated lumber I got mine at Lowes also. Second, cement board helps with filling. My buddy seems to think it might cause the thin set not adhere properly. 0000036512 00000 n One downside with uncoupling membranes is that they do add height to the installation, as you have two layers of thinset plus the membrane. drywall mud to cover the cement tape that I applied over the cement board. I want to glue and screw some pressure treated plywood to some PT 2×8’s. 0000032639 00000 n You will need to either restore the concrete so it is close to its original condition or cover the stained concrete with a … Under no conditions should you use veneer-bond plywood. 0000036841 00000 n Otherwise, the plywood can suck the moisture out of the thinset before it has a chance to harden leaving it soft and crumbly. I figure I could use Gorilla glue or construction adhesive. Cement board will not mitigate floor deflection, but it will provide an optimal surface for tiling by bonding and filling. 0000001328 00000 n grout removal electric tool find Bind building blocks 2. proper plywood subfloor Remove 45 square feet Put on the dust mask and eye protection. New lumber that is pressure treated can weather for approximately 30 days prior to sealing it. 0000002229 00000 n Any advice would be appreciated. Obviously, it’s a damp environment. I assume those were Asbestos. I used it on PT plywood that was still wet. 0000014737 00000 n %PDF-1.5 %���� While some types of plywood can be used in certain types of tile installations, use of the material has limitations. 0000027223 00000 n Mine was in a white gallon bucket. Thinset mortar can be used on a plywood mosaic backer provided the plywood has been sealed with a white PVA adhesive such as Weldbond. Thinset is the wet base that you first trowel on the plywood to make the tile stick. 0000100735 00000 n Joints of the top layer should be well away from the joints of the bottom layer. I mean, this is a light dinghy, 400# all up, and maybe 100# when I travel for regattas on the West Coast. 0000001116 00000 n Thinset is the wet base that you first trowel on the plywood to make the tile stick. In addition, uncoupling tile membranes prevent moisture from infiltrating surfaces below. First, cement backerboard is the perfect bonding surface for the thinset because of its porous texture. If you’re installing new plywood, use galvanized screws to fasten it, and countersink the screw heads. 0000010479 00000 n 0000002830 00000 n It will not heat the room, it will only warm the floor. Normally the purpose of thinset between the backer board and subfloor is to fill minor imperfections so that there's no flex between the backer board and subfloor. The top layer of plywood should be screwed down every 8 inches on the edge and every 6 inches in the field, or interior, section. Loose areas on an existing plywood subfloor can cause peel-and-stick tiles to lift over time. There has never been a problem getting tiles to stick to plywood. If you are not a fan of the natural look of pressure treated wood then don´t worry, there are ways to give it some color. Leaving a gap allows for expansion. Perry Mastrovito Design Pics/Getty Images. 0000001888 00000 n Leaving no gap means that the edges of two adjacent sheets of plywood may press against each other and deform when the plywood expands. Higher latex content is essential for bonding to plywood. NOTE: Interior grade plywood is not considered a suitable substrate due to the water-sensitive nature of the glues used to bond … I'd really hate to … when adding a shower to my bathroom I just used reg. Under all of that was 3/4 inch Particle board that was glued AND stapled to the plywood … While most floor tile these days is installed onto a layer of cement board or similar backerboard, it is possible to lay tile directly over plywood. Introducing "One Thing": A New Video Series, The Spruce Gardening & Plant Care Review Board, The Spruce Renovations and Repair Review Board. I decided to fix it right this spring. Painting before the wood’s ready simply wastes a day’s effort. Click to see full answer. oriented strand board (OSB) or sheathing, pressure treated plywood, fire-treated plywood, interior grade plywood, hardwood flooring. You can either paint it, … Painting vs. Staining Pressure Treated Wood Read More » Reply thewoodwhisperer June 17, 2011 6:33 pm Consequently, can Thinset be used on plywood? Plywood requires the application of a latex based bonding solution to the plywood to seal it and then the use of a flexible cement based adhesive, not pre-mixed tub adhesive. A quality unmodified thinset should be used and mixed with a latex additive. 0000021961 00000 n Similarly, will Thinset stick to stained concrete? Seal the Whole Thing. board, oriented strand board (OSB) or sheathing, pressure treated plywood, fire-treated plywood, interior grade plywood, hardwood flooring. The Spruce uses cookies to provide you with a great user experience. You don't want to use construction adhesive. But ceramic, porcelain, and glass tile, along with their service components of thinset and grout, are far too fragile to withstand even the slightest substrate movement. You do not want "pressure treated." I have to repair a pump house where my well sits. One example would be to use Laticrete's 317 thinset mixed with Laticrete 333 liquid latex additive. One popular way to augment plywood substrate is with a waterproofing, uncoupling membrane between the tile and one layer plywood. Once it dries it holds very well. But a number of precautions must be taken to ensure a successful installation: While tile can be laid on plywood, do not install tile directly onto the plywood subfloor itself. 0000022645 00000 n Plywood and the flooring to which it is attached must be at least 1 1/8 inch thick to support the weight of thinset and tiles. 0000027198 00000 n All of this assumes that the plywood is thick enough to be reasonably rigid and doesn't bow and flex with temperature variation. They only stick to untreated, clean, dry wood. 1 Walk over the plywood subfloor and circle any loose or squeaky areas with chalk. ]Ȧ5g������*�E� �`=u ��Tf�g����F�6��ş�. If you use unmodified thinset to stick Ditra to the subfloor you will be re-doing the entire job within weeks. You will want at least the 5/8" exterior grade AC or BC plywood. The safest, most prudent course is to install tile on top of a cement backerboard such as Durock, Wonderboard, or HardieBacker. Schluter Ditra is one popular brand of a membrane. Loosen the thinset by striking it with the hammer. Only exterior-approved plywood will support the weight; interior plywood and particleboard do not have the same strength and will buckle under the tiles. There was a top layer of Avocado Green Linoleum, Below that were brown faux Parquet lick-n-stick 12 inch vinyls, Below that were thick (approx 1/8th inch) 9 inch square tiles. Since pressure treated wood is primarily designed for outside, and / or earth contact, gluing this product seems odd. If it were a freshly constructed floor I would think that paint would not stick well at all if there was heavy traffic. If it's composed of narrow strips, I'd wait at least a few days (in the sun) or a week (in the shade) so that the surface is noticeably dry. 0000006742 00000 n One example would be to use Laticrete's 317 thinset … I'm doing some trailer fender repair. You may also want to tile an outdoor shed, or tile plywood … Furthermore, does mortar bond to wood? 0000034750 00000 n 0000031935 00000 n And yes, it is pressure treated. Higher latex content is essential for bonding to plywood. Fiberglass resins will not stick to woods that have been treated. Pressure treated plywood has a high moisture content and is notoriously unstable as it dries. 0000031661 00000 n Tile uncoupling is not a new practice. Took a while to dry. Contents Porcelain 50-lb gray powder Confidence. Cement backerboard is made for tiling. Use intervening layers of two sheets of plywood. To operate the pressure washer, plug it in and hold the nozzle attached to the spraying wand. Note that this requirement is only for exterior walls, as these may wick moisture onto the lumber. 0000026701 00000 n and mixed with a latex additive.. Once the concrete is stained , it should not be tiled because the thinset will not adhere properly. You need near 100% contact between the hardibacker and the underlying plywood, or the hardibacker will flex and cause your tiles to pop or crack. A quality unmodified thinset should be used and mixed with a latex additive. The existing wood has rotted out. Also I was told by the HomeDepot guy that I should be using the pressure treated plywood at the bottom (especially in our pacific northwest weather) and if I want a finished look, add another later on top of that. 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Decks and fences are the most common uses for treated wood, but it is ideal for a variety of applications. The problem is getting the tile INSTALLATION, including the grout joints, to hold up. I figure a square foot or so each, and the pad will dissipate the force enough. Don't cheap-out; buy a quality thinset. 0000002864 00000 n The answer to your question partly depends on the size and shape of the tape. What Is Cement Backer Board and How Is It Used? When you lay down cement board on plywood, you will trowel thinset between the two surfaces. 0000020515 00000 n 0000027522 00000 n How to Prepare a Vinyl or Linoleum Floor for Ceramic Tile, Inexpensive Options for Flooring in Basements, Installing Cement Board Underlayment for Tile. Driving screws all the way down to the joists negates the effect of double layering the floor by transmitting the movement from the joists directly to the top layer of plywood. I would like to replace it with pressure treated but don't know if the fiberglass resin will bite to pressure treated plywood. Lee has over two decades of hands-on experience remodeling, fixing, and improving homes, and has been providing home improvement advice for over 12 years. There may be times when you want to bond tile directly to plywood, or another wood surface, rather than screwing down backerboard first. Backerboard does not shrink or expand when it comes into contact with water (mortar and grout both contain water). Pressure treated wood is a great and cheap choice for outdoor applications but because of its treatment, it is kind of hard to color it. When installing tile, having a solid and tight substrate that will not shift, expand, or contract is all-important. Avoid having two joints on top of each other. I really could use a experts advice. I used it on a small section of flooring in my boat. We've had the means for about 30 years (yes, I remember. Even though exterior grade plywood is designed to stand up to harsh weather, nothing can tolerate moisture better than a product that is entirely composed of minerals (cement board) vs. an organic product (plywood). To paint pressure-treated wood successfully, therefore, you must be prepared to exercise a bit of patience. Interior walls are within a climate-controlled environment and are presumed to be free of moisture. 0000012263 00000 n You know I'm going to put a wood pad, probably plywood,between the longitudinal board and where the cradle is. Make certain you seal the edges, front, back and the ends of the lumber. Rent a pressure washer that can spray chemicals like deck stripper and wood brightener. This chemical soaks in the wood and does not allow the paint to adhere as well as if it were on non-treated wood. Thanks Casey for the reply. 0000036256 00000 n It is more important as a subfloor than anything else. 0000014273 00000 n When screwing down the top layer, make sure that you are screwing no farther than the bottom layer of plywood. 0000100846 00000 n Use a pressure washer for larger projects. For wall installations, your real concerns are whether you want to use thinset directly on the wood and whether you are using an exterior or interior type of plywood. 0000008478 00000 n It said that it would not stick to the treated wood because of all the chemicals. Shear release interfaces have been used for thousands of years, beginning with the Romans and Greeks. It was a quick fix using cheap carpet last summer. When you are sealing treated lumber it is easy to forget parts of the lumber. Where the wood is exposed to temperature and moisture changes in an outdoor environment, the tile isn’t going to stay put for long. The most skillfully laid tile floor or wall can be ruined with a base that is not dimensionally stable. Redwood is not only usually treated, but it also contains a waxy substance prohibiting adhesion. 0000006879 00000 n The another reason is that I want to life the floor higher, so going with the two layer of the plywood. NOTE: Interior grade plywood is not considered a suitable substrate due to the water-sensitive nature of the glues used to bond laminate layers … Schulter expressly notes that Ditra replaces that second layer of plywood. Re: carpet adhesive on treated lumber I got mine at Lowes also. Second, cement board helps with filling. My buddy seems to think it might cause the thin set not adhere properly. 0000036512 00000 n One downside with uncoupling membranes is that they do add height to the installation, as you have two layers of thinset plus the membrane. drywall mud to cover the cement tape that I applied over the cement board. I want to glue and screw some pressure treated plywood to some PT 2×8’s. 0000032639 00000 n You will need to either restore the concrete so it is close to its original condition or cover the stained concrete with a … Under no conditions should you use veneer-bond plywood. 0000036841 00000 n Otherwise, the plywood can suck the moisture out of the thinset before it has a chance to harden leaving it soft and crumbly. I figure I could use Gorilla glue or construction adhesive. Cement board will not mitigate floor deflection, but it will provide an optimal surface for tiling by bonding and filling. 0000001328 00000 n grout removal electric tool find Bind building blocks 2. proper plywood subfloor Remove 45 square feet Put on the dust mask and eye protection. New lumber that is pressure treated can weather for approximately 30 days prior to sealing it. 0000002229 00000 n Any advice would be appreciated. Obviously, it’s a damp environment. I assume those were Asbestos. I used it on PT plywood that was still wet. 0000014737 00000 n %PDF-1.5 %���� While some types of plywood can be used in certain types of tile installations, use of the material has limitations. 0000027223 00000 n Mine was in a white gallon bucket. Thinset mortar can be used on a plywood mosaic backer provided the plywood has been sealed with a white PVA adhesive such as Weldbond. Thinset is the wet base that you first trowel on the plywood to make the tile stick. 0000100735 00000 n Joints of the top layer should be well away from the joints of the bottom layer. I mean, this is a light dinghy, 400# all up, and maybe 100# when I travel for regattas on the West Coast. 0000001116 00000 n Thinset is the wet base that you first trowel on the plywood to make the tile stick. In addition, uncoupling tile membranes prevent moisture from infiltrating surfaces below. First, cement backerboard is the perfect bonding surface for the thinset because of its porous texture. If you’re installing new plywood, use galvanized screws to fasten it, and countersink the screw heads. 0000010479 00000 n 0000002830 00000 n It will not heat the room, it will only warm the floor. Normally the purpose of thinset between the backer board and subfloor is to fill minor imperfections so that there's no flex between the backer board and subfloor. The top layer of plywood should be screwed down every 8 inches on the edge and every 6 inches in the field, or interior, section. Loose areas on an existing plywood subfloor can cause peel-and-stick tiles to lift over time. There has never been a problem getting tiles to stick to plywood. If you are not a fan of the natural look of pressure treated wood then don´t worry, there are ways to give it some color. Leaving a gap allows for expansion. Perry Mastrovito Design Pics/Getty Images. 0000001888 00000 n Leaving no gap means that the edges of two adjacent sheets of plywood may press against each other and deform when the plywood expands. Higher latex content is essential for bonding to plywood. NOTE: Interior grade plywood is not considered a suitable substrate due to the water-sensitive nature of the glues used to bond … I'd really hate to … when adding a shower to my bathroom I just used reg. Under all of that was 3/4 inch Particle board that was glued AND stapled to the plywood … While most floor tile these days is installed onto a layer of cement board or similar backerboard, it is possible to lay tile directly over plywood. Introducing "One Thing": A New Video Series, The Spruce Gardening & Plant Care Review Board, The Spruce Renovations and Repair Review Board. I decided to fix it right this spring. Painting before the wood’s ready simply wastes a day’s effort. Click to see full answer. oriented strand board (OSB) or sheathing, pressure treated plywood, fire-treated plywood, interior grade plywood, hardwood flooring. You can either paint it, … Painting vs. Staining Pressure Treated Wood Read More » Reply thewoodwhisperer June 17, 2011 6:33 pm Consequently, can Thinset be used on plywood? Plywood requires the application of a latex based bonding solution to the plywood to seal it and then the use of a flexible cement based adhesive, not pre-mixed tub adhesive. A quality unmodified thinset should be used and mixed with a latex additive. 0000021961 00000 n Similarly, will Thinset stick to stained concrete? Seal the Whole Thing. board, oriented strand board (OSB) or sheathing, pressure treated plywood, fire-treated plywood, interior grade plywood, hardwood flooring. The Spruce uses cookies to provide you with a great user experience. You don't want to use construction adhesive. But ceramic, porcelain, and glass tile, along with their service components of thinset and grout, are far too fragile to withstand even the slightest substrate movement. You do not want "pressure treated." I have to repair a pump house where my well sits. One example would be to use Laticrete's 317 thinset mixed with Laticrete 333 liquid latex additive. One popular way to augment plywood substrate is with a waterproofing, uncoupling membrane between the tile and one layer plywood. Once it dries it holds very well. But a number of precautions must be taken to ensure a successful installation: While tile can be laid on plywood, do not install tile directly onto the plywood subfloor itself. 0000022645 00000 n Plywood and the flooring to which it is attached must be at least 1 1/8 inch thick to support the weight of thinset and tiles. 0000027198 00000 n All of this assumes that the plywood is thick enough to be reasonably rigid and doesn't bow and flex with temperature variation. They only stick to untreated, clean, dry wood. 1 Walk over the plywood subfloor and circle any loose or squeaky areas with chalk. ]Ȧ5g������*�E� �`=u ��Tf�g����F�6��ş�. If you use unmodified thinset to stick Ditra to the subfloor you will be re-doing the entire job within weeks. You will want at least the 5/8" exterior grade AC or BC plywood. The safest, most prudent course is to install tile on top of a cement backerboard such as Durock, Wonderboard, or HardieBacker. Schluter Ditra is one popular brand of a membrane. Loosen the thinset by striking it with the hammer. Only exterior-approved plywood will support the weight; interior plywood and particleboard do not have the same strength and will buckle under the tiles. There was a top layer of Avocado Green Linoleum, Below that were brown faux Parquet lick-n-stick 12 inch vinyls, Below that were thick (approx 1/8th inch) 9 inch square tiles. Since pressure treated wood is primarily designed for outside, and / or earth contact, gluing this product seems odd. If it were a freshly constructed floor I would think that paint would not stick well at all if there was heavy traffic. If it's composed of narrow strips, I'd wait at least a few days (in the sun) or a week (in the shade) so that the surface is noticeably dry. 0000006742 00000 n One example would be to use Laticrete's 317 thinset … I'm doing some trailer fender repair. You may also want to tile an outdoor shed, or tile plywood … Furthermore, does mortar bond to wood? 0000034750 00000 n 0000031935 00000 n And yes, it is pressure treated. Higher latex content is essential for bonding to plywood. Fiberglass resins will not stick to woods that have been treated. Pressure treated plywood has a high moisture content and is notoriously unstable as it dries. 0000031661 00000 n Tile uncoupling is not a new practice. Took a while to dry. Contents Porcelain 50-lb gray powder Confidence. Cement backerboard is made for tiling. Use intervening layers of two sheets of plywood. To operate the pressure washer, plug it in and hold the nozzle attached to the spraying wand. Note that this requirement is only for exterior walls, as these may wick moisture onto the lumber. 0000026701 00000 n and mixed with a latex additive.. Once the concrete is stained , it should not be tiled because the thinset will not adhere properly. You need near 100% contact between the hardibacker and the underlying plywood, or the hardibacker will flex and cause your tiles to pop or crack. A quality unmodified thinset should be used and mixed with a latex additive. The existing wood has rotted out. Also I was told by the HomeDepot guy that I should be using the pressure treated plywood at the bottom (especially in our pacific northwest weather) and if I want a finished look, add another later on top of that. 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